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		<title>Comment on NJ Pastor is Offline (Part 1) by NJ Pastor is Offline (Part 2) &#171; Gathering Media</title>
		<link>http://gatheringmedia.com/2010/11/18/nj-pastor-is-offline/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NJ Pastor is Offline (Part 2) &#171; Gathering Media]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Christ Followers or Sons of God? by Nick</title>
		<link>http://gatheringmedia.com/2010/07/22/christ-followers-or-sons-of-god/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you have a wrong view of imputation:

In my study on this topic of imputed righteousness, the Greek term “logizomai” is the English term for “reckon/impute/credit/etc,” (all terms are basically equivalently used) and when I look up that term in a popular lexicon here is what it is defined as:

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QUOTE: “This word deals with reality. If I “logizomai” or reckon that my bank book has $25 in it, it has $25 in it. Otherwise I am deceiving myself. This word refers to facts not suppositions.”
http://tinyurl.com/r92dch
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The lexicon states this term first and foremost refers to the actual status of something. So if Abraham’s faith is “logizomai as righteousness,” it must be an actually righteous act of faith, otherwise (as the Lexicon says) “I am deceiving myself.” This seems to rule out any notion of an alien righteousness, and instead points to a local/inherent righteousness.

The Lexicon gives other examples where “logizomai” appears, here are some examples:
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Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude [logizomai] that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Rom 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted [logizomai] as a gift but as his due.

Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon [logizomai] ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 8:18 For I reckon [logizomai] that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
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Notice in these examples that “logizomai” means to consider the actual truth of an object. In 3:28 Paul ‘reckons’ faith saves while the Law does not, this is a fact, the Law never saves. In 4:4 the worker’s wages are ‘reckoned’ as a debt because the boss is in debt to the worker, not giving a gift to him. In 6:11 the Christian is ‘reckoned’ dead to sin because he is in fact dead to sin. In 8:18 Paul ‘reckons’ the present sufferings as having no comparison to Heavenly glory, and that is true because nothing compares to Heavenly glory.

To use logizomai in the “alien status” way would mean in: (1) 3:28 faith doesn’t really save apart from works, but we are going to go ahead and say it does; (2) 4:4 the boss gives payment to the worker as a gift rather than obligation/debt; (3) 6:11 that we are not really dead to sin but are going to say we are; (4) 8:18 the present sufferings are comparable to Heaven’s glory.
This cannot be right.

So when the text plainly says “faith is logizomai as righteousness,” I must read that as ‘faith is reckoned as a truly righteous act’, and that is precisely how Paul explains that phrase in 4:18-22. That despite the doubts that could be raised in Abraham’s heart, his faith grew strong and convinced and “that is why his faith was credited as righteousness” (v4:22). This is also confirmed by noting the only other time “credited as righteousness” appears in Scripture, Psalm 106:30-31, where Phinehas’ righteous action was reckoned as such. This is confirmed even more when one compares another similar passage, Hebrews 11:4, where by faith Abel was commended as righteous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you have a wrong view of imputation:</p>
<p>In my study on this topic of imputed righteousness, the Greek term “logizomai” is the English term for “reckon/impute/credit/etc,” (all terms are basically equivalently used) and when I look up that term in a popular lexicon here is what it is defined as:</p>
<p>—————-<br />
QUOTE: “This word deals with reality. If I “logizomai” or reckon that my bank book has $25 in it, it has $25 in it. Otherwise I am deceiving myself. This word refers to facts not suppositions.”<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/r92dch" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/r92dch</a><br />
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<p>The lexicon states this term first and foremost refers to the actual status of something. So if Abraham’s faith is “logizomai as righteousness,” it must be an actually righteous act of faith, otherwise (as the Lexicon says) “I am deceiving myself.” This seems to rule out any notion of an alien righteousness, and instead points to a local/inherent righteousness.</p>
<p>The Lexicon gives other examples where “logizomai” appears, here are some examples:<br />
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Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude [logizomai] that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.</p>
<p>Rom 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted [logizomai] as a gift but as his due.</p>
<p>Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon [logizomai] ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.</p>
<p>Rom 8:18 For I reckon [logizomai] that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.<br />
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<p>Notice in these examples that “logizomai” means to consider the actual truth of an object. In 3:28 Paul ‘reckons’ faith saves while the Law does not, this is a fact, the Law never saves. In 4:4 the worker’s wages are ‘reckoned’ as a debt because the boss is in debt to the worker, not giving a gift to him. In 6:11 the Christian is ‘reckoned’ dead to sin because he is in fact dead to sin. In 8:18 Paul ‘reckons’ the present sufferings as having no comparison to Heavenly glory, and that is true because nothing compares to Heavenly glory.</p>
<p>To use logizomai in the “alien status” way would mean in: (1) 3:28 faith doesn’t really save apart from works, but we are going to go ahead and say it does; (2) 4:4 the boss gives payment to the worker as a gift rather than obligation/debt; (3) 6:11 that we are not really dead to sin but are going to say we are; (4) 8:18 the present sufferings are comparable to Heaven’s glory.<br />
This cannot be right.</p>
<p>So when the text plainly says “faith is logizomai as righteousness,” I must read that as ‘faith is reckoned as a truly righteous act’, and that is precisely how Paul explains that phrase in 4:18-22. That despite the doubts that could be raised in Abraham’s heart, his faith grew strong and convinced and “that is why his faith was credited as righteousness” (v4:22). This is also confirmed by noting the only other time “credited as righteousness” appears in Scripture, Psalm 106:30-31, where Phinehas’ righteous action was reckoned as such. This is confirmed even more when one compares another similar passage, Hebrews 11:4, where by faith Abel was commended as righteous.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Think Thursday- The Already and the Not-Yet by satchell</title>
		<link>http://gatheringmedia.com/2009/09/10/think-thursday-the-already-and-the-not-yet/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[satchell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is something to look forward to. I picked up Tripp&#039;s devotional a couple months ago in hopes of truly understanding the foundations of my anxiety. I find it really difficult to comprehend future grace in my heart though it is presented with great clarity in my mind when I read about it in scripture and in gospel-centered books &amp; blogs. Not sure what God is going to make of this - and of course my anxiety is reigning in that area of growth - but looking back at where I&#039;ve been helps sometimes. I assume you wrote this because you&#039;ve struggled with the truth in it and finally found some clarity. I&#039;m glad that you did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is something to look forward to. I picked up Tripp&#8217;s devotional a couple months ago in hopes of truly understanding the foundations of my anxiety. I find it really difficult to comprehend future grace in my heart though it is presented with great clarity in my mind when I read about it in scripture and in gospel-centered books &amp; blogs. Not sure what God is going to make of this &#8211; and of course my anxiety is reigning in that area of growth &#8211; but looking back at where I&#8217;ve been helps sometimes. I assume you wrote this because you&#8217;ve struggled with the truth in it and finally found some clarity. I&#8217;m glad that you did.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Think Thursday-Jesus Draw Me Near by Pam</title>
		<link>http://gatheringmedia.com/2009/09/02/think-thursday-jesus-draw-me-near/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This Biblical concept of hard times is definitely counter culture.
James 1:2-5 NIV says, &quot;Consider it pure JOY, my brothers, whenever you face trial of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith develops PERSEVERANCE.  Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be MATURE and COMPLETE, NOT LACKING ANYTHING.  If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generoulsy to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.&quot; 
Trials are allowed to help us spiritually grow up!  Jesus wants us to become mature and complete.
Thanks for the reminders, Randy!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Biblical concept of hard times is definitely counter culture.<br />
James 1:2-5 NIV says, &#8220;Consider it pure JOY, my brothers, whenever you face trial of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith develops PERSEVERANCE.  Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be MATURE and COMPLETE, NOT LACKING ANYTHING.  If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generoulsy to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.&#8221;<br />
Trials are allowed to help us spiritually grow up!  Jesus wants us to become mature and complete.<br />
Thanks for the reminders, Randy!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Think Thursday-Runaway Car by Cathy D</title>
		<link>http://gatheringmedia.com/2009/08/13/think-thursday-runaway-car/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cathy D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very appropriate!!  HE is in control and will always take care of us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very appropriate!!  HE is in control and will always take care of us.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Web Wednesday-Blogging Lies by Andrea</title>
		<link>http://gatheringmedia.com/2009/07/29/web-wednesday-blogging-lies/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this story goes so much deeper than just the lying.  I followed her story a little bit and you can see it right in the article.  She started the blog as a way to deal with the loss that she did actually have of a baby.  When she saw how many people were interested, it took off from there and that&#039;s when the lies started.  It is someone wanting attention, compassion and probably the depth of a relationship but going about it in all the wrong ways.  I am not saying that it was right for her to lie, but I think that with all this social networking - Twitter, texting, Facebook statuses, trying to make blogs popular and read by many - we want to think what we&#039;re doing is important to others; that they care about our every day mundane things.  It becomes a thing of pride.  You can easily make yourself into someone you&#039;re not.  You can make your life in shambles sound beautifully peaceful on a blog.  It becomes a springboard to jealousy when you&#039;re seeing all the attention other bloggers get.  The lying is certainly not right, but there are so many different sins that can get wrapped up in all this networking stuff.  What I hate is that it is taking more and more away from people building those face-to-face relationships, and yes, like you stated - people think they can get away with more hurtful things because it&#039;s so much easier to write than say to someone&#039;s face, which is then where the cyber-bullying comes in.  
Anyways, I&#039;ll stop rambling now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this story goes so much deeper than just the lying.  I followed her story a little bit and you can see it right in the article.  She started the blog as a way to deal with the loss that she did actually have of a baby.  When she saw how many people were interested, it took off from there and that&#8217;s when the lies started.  It is someone wanting attention, compassion and probably the depth of a relationship but going about it in all the wrong ways.  I am not saying that it was right for her to lie, but I think that with all this social networking &#8211; Twitter, texting, Facebook statuses, trying to make blogs popular and read by many &#8211; we want to think what we&#8217;re doing is important to others; that they care about our every day mundane things.  It becomes a thing of pride.  You can easily make yourself into someone you&#8217;re not.  You can make your life in shambles sound beautifully peaceful on a blog.  It becomes a springboard to jealousy when you&#8217;re seeing all the attention other bloggers get.  The lying is certainly not right, but there are so many different sins that can get wrapped up in all this networking stuff.  What I hate is that it is taking more and more away from people building those face-to-face relationships, and yes, like you stated &#8211; people think they can get away with more hurtful things because it&#8217;s so much easier to write than say to someone&#8217;s face, which is then where the cyber-bullying comes in.<br />
Anyways, I&#8217;ll stop rambling now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christless Christianity by satchell</title>
		<link>http://gatheringmedia.com/2009/05/12/christless-christianity/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[satchell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 05:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the book suggestion. This seems like a resourceful tool for Christians, especially younger Christians like myself, who need guidance in discernment when assessing the messages and goals of a ministry. Found this place on The Gospel Coalition Network. Thanks for sharing it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the book suggestion. This seems like a resourceful tool for Christians, especially younger Christians like myself, who need guidance in discernment when assessing the messages and goals of a ministry. Found this place on The Gospel Coalition Network. Thanks for sharing it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christless Christianity by Chris Rookus</title>
		<link>http://gatheringmedia.com/2009/05/12/christless-christianity/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Rookus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 18:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dude, I was just skimming over this at the FIRE conference book table! Hmmm... I picked up a couple other good ones I&#039;ll read &amp; maybe review for ya.

Later - Chris]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, I was just skimming over this at the FIRE conference book table! Hmmm&#8230; I picked up a couple other good ones I&#8217;ll read &amp; maybe review for ya.</p>
<p>Later &#8211; Chris</p>
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		<title>Comment on This the Power of the Cross by Randall W. Ross</title>
		<link>http://gatheringmedia.com/2009/04/07/this-the-power-of-the-cross/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Randall W. Ross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 02:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is Kristyn and Keith Getty (and band) performing the song live at a church in southern CA...just thought you should know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is Kristyn and Keith Getty (and band) performing the song live at a church in southern CA&#8230;just thought you should know.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Free Music at Gather Cafe by Chris Rookus</title>
		<link>http://gatheringmedia.com/2009/03/23/free-music-at-gather-cafe/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Rookus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These are great, I loved them!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are great, I loved them!</p>
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